Chosen for or by?

m i t h i says:
he was born gay

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

oh the hospital ppl shud’ve known and wrapped him an pink blanket

m i t h i says:

you are being intentionally rude
probably a closet homophobe

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

what’s wrong with pink blankets?

m i t h i says:
nothing
but thats a gender issue
not a sexuality issue
you are confused

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

and sexual identity is not?

m i t h i says:

he is gay
not transsexual
the color of the blanket was chosen by what was between the legs
not whether the baby chose to hug a boy or a girl
so pink blanket was for girls
not kids who grew up to like guys

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

i…just cant accept tt humans can be “born” gay
become gay, feel gay
but born gay

m i t h i says:

thats coz you are not

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

think abt it. if he was really genetically coded that way, then the family unit would’ve disgusted him

m i t h i says:

the mum did threaten

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

as a child
below 10

m i t h i says:

i didn’t know parents asked for a genetic code check
and what about children of single sex parents?
do they all grow up to be gay??

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
there was no way he could have mentally come to the conclusion tt his parents were leading a normal life and he was the astray one at ten

m i t h i says:

kids don’t think of their sexuality till pubescent age
plus

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

do u think a “gay” child would understand? or a straight child in a gay marriage

m i t h i says:

he never was interested in girls from young
he just didn’t care

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

surely at ages below 10 [teenage renaissance] they cant tell
if there’s really conflicting signals, then there would’ve been trauma
some issues

m i t h i says:

only pschological and emotional trauma

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

only?

m i t h i says:

he still has them
but his brother and sister-in-law
have accepted him
so he is happier now
away from his parents
anyway
i don’t see the need to discuss this

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

why not? it’s a valid discussion

m i t h i says:

because neither of us are qualified to

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

if i’m wrong then correct me

m i t h i says:

it seems wrong

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

do u sincerely believe ppl can be born gay?

m i t h i says:

yep
its both nature and nurture

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

if tt’s the case, then genetics would have smthn to do with it

m i t h i says:

it has to!

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

so either, the gay strain would’ve died out by now
or humanity would be extinct

m i t h i says:
if you are programmed straight then how can you tolerate a guy slobbering over you?!

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

think!! if ure programmed to be gay, but gay couples cant reproduce
then that strain is lost
if every gay strain is lost [since caveman times] then the probability of it happening should be what? less than a billion now

m i t h i says:

if its not genetic

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
i think it’s horrible tt in some countries being gay is a crime

m i t h i says:

can you explain it otherwise?

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

it’s identity
as well

m i t h i says:

as well
Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
it’s an image u choose to project

m i t h i says:

an image?

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
it’s a fetish become obsession

m i t h i says:

i hope you don’t mean a self-imposed one
its impossible to hold it on for life-long

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
a kink

m i t h i says:
kinks fizzle out over time

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

u know what? anal sex is disgusting on first thought

m i t h i says:
and yet even females indulge in it

m i t h i says:
makes you rethink it!

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

it’s only after u re-explore that scenario so many times
on first thought!
it’s like the emergence of scat porn
it’s a minority group exploring a fetish
if u can be born a fetishist u can be born gay
so let’s bake that noodle

m i t h i says:

if its just a fetish
then where does the emotional attachment come into the picture?

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

oh straight males dont have male friends and commitments?
love again is very subjective
u dont love someone without wanting to
if ure gg to talk abt genetics as a major part of homosexual nature

m i t h i says:
you are cynical and unromantic

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
then by the same chemical laws, love is just a rush of endorphins and some other hormone in ur blood
yes i agree with you tt until adolescence children dont think abt sexuality
so u ask him, when he really decided he was gay
13? 15? 18?
the earlier the more sincere?

m i t h i says:
he never decided

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

it was decided
right

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
he never decided? what do u mean. he just knew all along as a child, even before he knew the meaning of the word homosexual

m i t h i says:

sort of
as in
he knew he didn’t like girls
he never did
to this day

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

it’s a choice

m i t h i says:

i don’t think u have ever wanted to get down and dirty with a guy in your life
so its different
and even if you made a choice to
you can never become gay
its not so superficial

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

yes he does. but pardon the crassness, if he were subjected to straight porn i’m pretty sure he could get it up

m i t h i says:

nope
tried it too

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

and he’ll say, oh it’s a biological reaction
but my mind’s not in it
yes exactly what we’re arguing
biological, meaning genetics?

m i t h i says:
did you see what i typed????!!!
HE TRIED IT!
DIDN’T WORK!

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
why not, porn has male gentalia as well u know
shud be rigth up his alley

m i t h i says:

…………….
dude!
you are too narrow track minded
so i don’t think we’ll get anywhere

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

i’m sorry, but as i said, if i’m wrong, correct me. don’t beg the qn.

m i t h i says:
my conclusion
leave it be
each to his own
no need to justify to another

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

i wasnt justifying
he has a right to be gay
i was just saying that he chose teh right to be gay
i think

m i t h i says:

he was gay and decided to assert his right
he is in washington now
of course he used his rights
he was in india for 16-17 years of his life
he never asserted his rights
he was gay and quiet about it

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

…….
but i thot u said sexuality only matters after adolesence
he was gay for 3-5years
ure telling me he was a gay 10yr old
of course he was. he probably got a new toy plane and was bloody gay abt it

m i t h i says:

????????????

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

wait
dont tell me
he played with barbie dolls
secretly
?

m i t h i says:

it is not necessary for gays to play with barbie dolls
that is so cliched
and i have hated dolls all my life
does that make me a guy
please!

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

excuse it then. i didnt want u to accuse me of associating him with normal guy toys
alone

m i t h i says:

i wouldn’t accuse you of anything
for you are bullshitting here!….
cmon
how can you know what a gay guy plays with?

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
i dont

m i t h i says:

unless you have good friends who are gay
or you are gay
neither is possible
and you were stereotyping
so there is nothing left to accuse

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
tt’s liek suing microsoft for infriging on mp3
there is nothing as ubiquitous as barbie dolls for girls and they’re pretty much the most popular girl toys
and i’m petty sure they dont make toys just for gay babies

m i t h i says:
sad to say it

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
they do?

m i t h i says:

gay babies don’t show their gayness
because they are in an environment that shows them otherwise
plus babies always get everything
so no point in talking about them

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
ok
why do u think babies can be gay?
how is tt possible?
i’ve nvr seen a gay kitten
or a gay puppy
yes humans are sentient tt’s why we have a choice
but unless ure grown up, ure pretty much in larva mode
it was not my intent to insult ur friend
or u
he’s free to choose
but i think it’s a choice to choose

m i t h i says:

its so difficult to see it as a choice
since there is an element of revolt
its difficult to get over that

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

revolt is abt choice
u choose to be part of the herd
or u revolt

m i t h i says:

then you can also say that
you choose to be straight

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

go on
finish tt thought

m i t h i says:

….
thats it

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
choose or what?

m i t h i says:

nono
as in
the whole elemental aspect of sexuality
could become a matter of choice

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

isnt it?
i mean it’s not like u evolve to suit ur choice
u have the tools of the trade
but u choose not to use them in the way they were meant to be
it’s fine, but the answers right…down there?

m i t h i says:

if it was a matter of choice,
then what is to be said of pheromones
**pheromones

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
ridiculous, ure blasting ur own camp
pheromones suggests that my point is valid
that u are by “design” [although i’m not a god person] made for a certain purpose anatomically
and pheromones seek to promote tt

m i t h i says:

http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

note that this research conveniently excludes same sex female relationships?
why?

m i t h i says:
no idea
i presume its coz i typed gay?
no wait
i typed homosexuality
so is lesbian behaviour completely nurture?

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

lesbians are also gay
i dont know
so this test isnt 100% reliable sint it?
anyway
still reading
wait

m i t h i says:

ok
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2005/08/14/what_makes_people_gay/
even better

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

Jean Foucault argues, “…homosexuality became because we made it so” [11]. Foucault says that the category of homosexuality itself was only created a mere one hundred years ago, after a German neologism coined some twenty years later.
Foucault gives root to the social derivation of homosexuality believing that homosexuality appeared as one of the forms of sexuality, only “after it was transposed from the practice of sodomy into a kind of interior androgyny, a hermaphrodism of the soul” [10]. The theorists believe that the homosexual had been an aberration, and had then become a species, justifying itself with a new word.
from ur article

m i t h i says:

how come it took them 60 years to discover one bloody gene?
so one bloody gene can change your sexual orientation?
sorry
but i really want to laugh
how sad man is

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

u want to laugh but u still believe it?

m i t h i says:

nono
as in what i meant was

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:
by the same gene theory, some are genetically born to be athletic and some are genetically born to be smart

m i t h i says:

its so sad that one gene can cause such drastic differences

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

genes can be worked out, worked around
synergistcally, yes, one gene is pathetic
u are right to laugh

m i t h i says:

??
so you can ungay a person
if the studies are finalised
thats so interesting

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

it’s called bisexuality

m i t h i says:

??

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

if u are, as you put it, “naturally” gay
biologically
but ure not *only* gay
then ure bisexual

m i t h i says:

huh?
sorry
wo pu ting the tong!

Ian Dravid: Go ahead and laugh. I emailed Steve Jobs about DRM. says:

i dunno much abt bisexuals either
But the research indicates that, of the boys who do exhibit CGN, about 75 percent of them – perhaps more – turn out to be gay or bisexual.
also from ur boston globe link


Conclusion: After reading the second article, I understand that CGN is a fine indicator that it is possible for a boy to be born effette and perhaps a girl to be born more…tomboyish? Even so, I think the jump that the reporter made about a characteristic [being effette or tomboyish] is actually an indicator of sexual orientation is a bit hard to digest.

Perhaps it’s a vicious cycle. More effete boys get picked on more due to their non-aggressive non-confrontational nature, hence they are “forced” to have female friends but they think they “prefer” to have female friends because, on an individual basis, we all think we’re the lead star in an impromptu blockbuster movie with 6bn other extras. It’s also possible.

Even the studies that strongly suggest genetic roots for homosexuality sound more like inexplicable anomalies [imprinted genes in one twin but not the other for example] rather than a distinct allele associated directly with homosexual behaviour. Of course it’s rather unlikely that evidence would point to the latter, because that would also mean that allele would’ve been weeded out by now via natural selection.

Turns out there IS gay behaviour in nature as well [gay rams! Pun not intended?] So what does that mean? More anomalies? If one argues that there are more gay people than the probability of anomaly would suggest, then one must also remember that there were significantly less gay people before the word gay started meaning something other than “extremely happy” in a colloquial context. Get my point? Which is also one of the theories: they call it “exotic to erotic” phenomenon? From anomaly to species.

Like some African tribes don’t think boobs are erogenous. They see it all the time. But ankles are sacred. And if exposed in public, that woman is crass. Draw your own parallels.

If genetics DOES play a major part, then I think it’s possible the anamoly was introduced by bisexual ancestors. I still cant envision a gay caveman, but somehow a bisexual one is easier to imagine. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who wanted to experiment and way too much free time. But for now, I’m willing to agree that genetics does play a [ambiguous/not totally proven] role. She may have been right after all.

And if any gay person was annoyed by my tone, then I have no apology nor hatred. Just plain indifference.

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